Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian

Subject: Re: Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian 06.02.12 9:20

Snow_Queen wrote:

Here you can find a full version of this report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3shUw663_o

Thanks Snow_Queen! Very Happy

Subject: Re: Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian 06.02.12 13:26

IMO, the reportage of Brian's mum was totally unnecessary. It' s not nice for Brian to watch something like that on TV, did you see his fake smile after it ended?
I don't understand why did madame Joubert allowed the camera to film her on a moment like that. She seems to like all the publicity, her opinions are on so many interviews and she is in many Brian's documentaries and TV raports. I have no idea what were the reactions of Nathalie's, Fabian's or Florent's mothers or how do they even look like. But Brian's mom has to push herself in numerous raports and interviews.

Subject: Re: Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian 06.02.12 13:52

Bladette wrote:

I don't understand why did madame Joubert allowed the camera to film her on a moment like that. She seems to like all the publicity, her opinions are on so many interviews and she is in many Brian's documentaries and TV raports. I have no idea what were the reactions of Nathalie's, Fabian's or Florent's mothers or how do they even look like. But Brian's mom has to push herself in numerous raports and interviews.

Don't you remember last year after Florent won Euros?

Raymonde Joubert is more involved in her son's career than most skating moms - Johnny Weir mentioned once or twice that she and his mom often travel along for competitions, unlike many skating parents (you can see a lot of Patti Weir on Be Good Johnny Weir). Of course, there are skaters who are/were coached by parents or other family members (e.g. Alexander Majorov, Sarah Meier, Fedor Andreev, Yuka Sato), which is a whole different level of involvement. IIRC, Raymonde Joubert coordinates a lot of behind the scenes stuff for Brian, and has an official role with the federation (president of the local league and possibly some other stuff). Whether it's good for him or not, I have no idea. At least some of her advice over the years has been sound, and I believe that had Brian listened to her about his LP six years ago, he'd have won a medal in Turin. FWIW, my understanding is that Patrick Chan's mother plays a similar role in his career (minus the official stuff) except she's a lot less visible.

I doubt Mrs. Joubert is anywhere near the level of some of the legendary skating parents (e.g. Tiffany Chin's mother, Danny Kwan, Ann-Patrice McDonough's mother) or even as managing as someone like Mrs. Kim.

Subject: Re: Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian 06.02.12 14:08

The mom of Brian no it´s only his mom, i believe that she is his agent, too....

Subject: Re: Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian 06.02.12 14:36

Just one question: how does Brian's confidence benefit from seeing his mother in tears on TV? It adds even more pressure for the future competitions.

If I remember correctly, Florent called his mother after he won the Euros and the French TV wanted to film that. But that's pretty much all.

Patty Weir is hilarious and I believe she was added to Johnny's reality series to show another side of Johnny - not only a competitor but also a son. Plus you need additional people in reality series.

What comes to the interview, Brian didn't say anything new. He didn't say he will work on his mental toughness. He says he doesn't have a problem with coping with stress. He just thinks working the technique and physical side will make him more confident. So basically the same things he has said during the years. His goal in Nice is to skate two good programs.

Subject: Re: Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian 06.02.12 15:03

Bladette wrote:

What comes to the interview, Brian didn't say anything new. He didn't say he will work on his mental toughness. He says he doesn't have a problem with coping with stress. He just thinks working the technique and physical side will make him more confident. So basically the same things he has said during the years. His goal in Nice is to skate two good programs.

I think most fans know by now that there is no point in paying attention to anything Brian says in "serious" interviews; he's not always truthful, and sometimes he is telling the truth as it is at the moment, but then changes his mind. Really, for all we know, six weeks from now he'll be talking about how he went to Canada to get a new program done because the SP and/or The Matrix weren't working, and Wilson sent him to some great sports psychologist. Very Happy

Patti Weir is involved and visible - not just on the reality show. Allison Scott (Jeremy Abbott's mum) is another relatively visible skating parent - though I suspect she is less involved in the day to day stuff of Jeremy's career.

I am going to guess, though obviously I don't know Brian personally, that some of this is family dynamics and not just about his career. He's the only boy, and much younger than his sisters, and there was the serious medical stuff that happened when he was small. I can see how all this might have affected his relationship with his family.

Subject: Re: Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian 06.02.12 15:14

Yulie wrote:

Really, for all we know, six weeks from now he'll be talking about how he went to Canada to get a new program done because the SP and/or The Matrix weren't working, and Wilson sent him to some great sports psychologist. Very Happy

I wish!

I would have loved to hear that he plans to change something in his mental preparation!

Subject: Re: Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian 06.02.12 15:33

Bladette wrote:

IMO, the reportage of Brian's mum was totally unnecessary. It' s not nice for Brian to watch something like that on TV, did you see his fake smile after it ended?

It was really difficult to not notice Brian's fake smile before this reportage about the reactions of Brian's mum at the Euros 2012. It was his "good" face to the bad game as if he wanted to show that he already isn't worried about it what happened with him in Sheffield only he already wants to go ahead to focus on his preparations to the Worlds in Nice. In my opinion it's a good attitude and how it will be in Nice, we will convince!

Subject: Re: Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian 06.02.12 21:09

I asked Isa for translation for the video, thanks to Oxana for youtube!

It is well to work technology but also artistic, to manage stress (and I dare to say this lol).
J'ai demandé à Isa la traduction pour la video, merci à Oxana pour youtube!

C'est bien de travailler la technique mais aussi l'artistique , gérer le stress ( et j'ose dire ça ..lol)

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Subject: Re: Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian 07.02.12 4:58

Bladette wrote:

IMO, the reportage of Brian's mum was totally unnecessary. It' s not nice for Brian to watch something like that on TV, did you see his fake smile after it ended?

It was incredibly fake and he was clearly pissed off about it. I've read for a long time now that his mom is ever present. I believe Brian wants it that way. If she's always there, then she's always going to go through the ups and downs of watching him skate. They live together don't they? I mean Johnny Weir and his mom are a good example of the difference because Johnny for both seasons of his TV show lived either alone or with his roommate Paris. But his mom was there at the competitions and also had the camera on her at certain points. I believe the point of showing Brian his mom's reactions was saying "Look what you put your mother through." I don't think anyone on Brian's team thinks Brian's mistakes are unavoidable. I think they completely blame him and don't think he's taking it seriously or something. Maybe the reporters and mom thought this would be a good way to motivate Brian to get more serious. Maybe they think he's goofing off and not being ready when it's time to skate. So this is a way of showing him that his performances don't just affect him emotionally. I think that in the K&C of the SP at Euros his coach looked less like a coach and more like an older sister who wanted to slap him. If you really believe your athlete is doing their best you're not going to sit there looking pissed when they mess up, you're going to comfort and encourage them for the next time. I personally have no idea what goes on between these people. But it has seemed to me for a long time that psychological damage doesn't matter too much to these guys. I personally disagree but I don't really know what's going on. I know that in my experience, constant criticism and so-called "tough love" rarely work. They usually backfire. But it seems this is the way Brian's team operates. At least that's how it seems to me.

Subject: Re: Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian 07.02.12 11:34

facepalm wrote:

They live together don't they?

Yes, Brian and his mom live together, they always lived that way. I can understand this situation because I have an aunt in my family who lived with my older cousin for a long time even when he was adult and already had a child that's why I'm not too surprised! Razz

My aunt needs to be in contact with her son and his children. That's very specific situation. Brian's mom love him so much like no one else, that's obvious. I think she simply can't live without Brian and maybe Brian also needs to live with her? I don't think it will change even if Brian will get married!

Subject: Re: Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian 08.02.12 0:21

I live with my mom as well and I know how it can be. So whatever he's going through, she's going through and vice versa. It can add a lot of pressure. And she knows what she's going to have to deal with at home when he has a less than triumphant result. Putting her reactions on TV was some kind of ploy though. I just wonder whose idea it was.

Subject: Re: Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian 08.02.12 10:25

facepalm wrote:

I just wonder whose idea it was.

It's already not important whose idea it was, it happened.
I only know it was an abysmal idea to show these reactions of Brian's mom on TV.
Even if we saw this fake smile of Brian, I think it needed to pain him even if he didn't show it. Brian is a sensitive man.

Subject: Re: Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian 08.02.12 18:10

fandebrian wrote:

Even if we saw this fake smile of Brian, I think it needed to pain him even if he didn't show it. Brian is a sensitive man.

I agree that he is a sensitive person and that is probably one of the reasons why he sometimes melts down in competitions. He seems to analyze a lot of his feelings and the emotional side of him plays a huge role in competitions.

I would also add DG among the people who show Brian that "tough love". I am relieved that this time he didn't bash Brian publicly, maybe he has learned his lesson. It's just so weird that media and many people around him like show him this "tough love" when he seems to be so sensitive and vulnerable person. I don't think Veronique is any different. Remember, she and Brian didn't talk to each other for years even though they shared the same ice rink. Veronique as a coach and an older person should have tried to behave differently and be more mature. I can only wonder how awkward it must have been for Brian to train in those kind of circumstances. Now Veronique hasn't even discussed with Brian if she will move to the other ice rink to coach him. It must be hard for Brian to train in that uncertain atmosphere.

Subject: Re: Nouvelles de Brian/News of Brian 08.02.12 18:23

Bladette wrote:

I would also add DG among the people who show Brian that "tough love". I am relieved that this time he didn't bash Brian publicly, maybe he has learned his lesson. It's just so weird that media and many people around him like show him this "tough love" when he seems to be so sensitive and vulnerable person. I don't think Veronique is any different. Remember, she and Brian didn't talk to each other for years even though they shared the same ice rink. Veronique as a coach and an older person should have tried to behave differently and be more mature. I can only wonder how awkward it must have been for Brian to train in those kind of circumstances. Now Veronique hasn't even discussed with Brian if she will move to the other ice rink to coach him. It must be hard for Brian to train in that uncertain atmosphere.

I think it's worth remembering that Veronique Guyon coached Brian from a very young age - she was what, 20 when she started working with him - and that it is probably not the usual coach-student relationship. I am sure the split was difficult for both of them, and maybe they felt it was better to keep their distance from each other. Also, Brian was under no obligation to return to her in 2010; it was his choice, and one I'd wager the FFSG was not happy with. He's been clear that he felt the need for a coach who'd be more strict with him than some of his past coaches.

As for next year, Guyon has a family, and continuing to work with Brian may require a relocation or a lot of commuting. I don't blame her for being hesitant and waiting to see what Brian wants to do, and I imagine they have at least had some preliminary discussions about it in private.