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PostSubject: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   10.02.10 14:42

http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-figure-skating/
http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-figure-skating-athletes/
February 18, 2010
17:00 - Men Free Skating

February 16, 2010
16:15 - Men Short Program

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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   10.02.10 14:58

thanks gis Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   10.02.10 15:49

It's starting to get really close now bounce

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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   11.02.10 9:19

Thanks Gis.
I wish there were 2 medals in Figure skating disciplines: FOR THE SP AND FOR THE FP!!!! That would be much more FAIR!
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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   11.02.10 9:30

Anastasia wrote:
Thanks Gis.
I wish there were 2 medals in Figure skating disciplines: FOR THE SP AND FOR THE FP!!!! That would be much more FAIR!

Good idea Anastasia, that's precisely what I think...
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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   11.02.10 16:20

alusa wrote:
Anastasia wrote:
Thanks Gis.
I wish there were 2 medals in Figure skating disciplines: FOR THE SP AND FOR THE FP!!!! That would be much more FAIR!

Good idea Anastasia, that's precisely what I think...

Yes that would be great!

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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   11.02.10 19:41

Nona wrote:
alusa wrote:
Anastasia wrote:
Thanks Gis.
I wish there were 2 medals in Figure skating disciplines: FOR THE SP AND FOR THE FP!!!! That would be much more FAIR!

Good idea Anastasia, that's precisely what I think...

Yes that would be great!

I think that in the past (age of figures, I believe) medals were also awarded for the SP and LP, because some people could build such leads in the figures that they could lose bothe the SP and LP and still win the whole competition. When figures were abolished, the SP and LP became more evenly weighted and thee was no longer need to separate medals. Still, some events do still hand out 'small medals" for teh SP and LP - they just did so in Tallinn, just as they did in LA last year.

It is kind of depressing that 4 years' work culminate into just under 8 minutes of programs, no second chances. In gymnastics there's the all-around, and then there are individual apparatus. In track and swimming athletes can compete in multiple events/styles/distance. And my favorite non-FS discipline, the Decathlon, is 2 full days of gruelling but quite different competitions. Well, that is the nature of our beloved sport...

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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   12.02.10 7:06

Precisely because of that, nerves become the winning factor and sometimes we end up with some OGM, who have never done great before or after. I always want to see a good skater glorified following his/her past successes.
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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   12.02.10 10:35

Another guy leaves out the quad.....

http://www.nbcolympics.com/news-features/news/newsid=411208.html#lysacek+ditches+quad+fears+injury

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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   12.02.10 14:48

Thank you ladies for the pieces of information.

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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   12.02.10 16:39

thanks sheena Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   12.02.10 17:11

Thanks for the link, Sheena.

In many ways this is an interesting, albeit, short article. What strikes me as most interesting is that Evan is not willing to put out what he has, in terms of ultimate effort, to have the chance at that elusive gold medal. I realize that some people will look at me in shock that I would say this, lol, but this is Olympic sport, not the GP Series and not World's. In the Olympics an athlete pushes to the ultimate level to gain that gold medal. The rest of the time athletes work to protect their bodies from debilitating injury---so that they will have the chance at the next Olympics to make their country's team and compete for that ultimate medal. If Evan is not willing to push himself to the ultimate limit, why bother to compete, at all?

Look at Yagudin, for instance, who pushed his body to the ultimate level (competing in undisclosed pain from his congenital hip condition) and gaining that prized gold medal. Also, look at Plushenko with at least one badly damaged knee who is doing quad jumps, regardless of whatever pain it will cause him, to have the chance to get another Olympic gold medal. Now, both of those examples are perfect instances of competitors who pushed the limits of the bodies to gain Olympic gold, and that is what Olympic sport is all about and what it should be about. Both of those skaters availed themsleves of what modern medicine has to offer to alleviate pain or, in Plush's case, fix damaged body parts, to permit their bodies to hold together long enough to compete in the Olympic forum. On the other hand there are skaters like Evan who, for whatever reason, are unwilling to push their bodies to the ultimate limits to gain an Olympic gold medal. At least, to me, it seems Evan, and those like him (Chan, for instance), are dumbing down what figure skating at the Olympic level has always been---pushing past injury and going all out, producing the ultimate Olympic performance to gain a gold medal. In the long run, if figure skaters wish to be regarded as athletes they have to act as athletes, otherwise what they do can't really be considered as sport.

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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   12.02.10 17:53

Beautifully said, Mary. Of course, none of us sitting on the couch at home can tell someone to give their all and risk injury, perhaps permanent damage, but isn't the ultimate Olympic moment somethign like Kerry Strag (was that her name?) landing a vault on a broken foot to give her team the gold in Gymnastics?

The moment I remember the most from Nagano Olympics is Elvis finishing his free program strong, then immediately clutching his thigh and grimacing, telling his coach in the K&C "I could do no more".

Of course, I never expected Evan to go for a quad in the first place. I have no doubt he WAS injured last year, but I think that is not the reason he is avoiding the quad. I think whoever has not tried a quad this year, and probably whoever tried but could not land one this year, will skip it alltogether and skate clean.

Plushy's return has pushed the top skaters to try the quad, and for that I am happy with his return, but those who have neglected this element because "they wanted to focus on their transitions" have found out for the most part that they could no longer land it.

Assuming Plushy will win gold unless he has a meltdown or Brian/Lambiel skate clean and brilliant, the others will be fighting for bronze (silver if Brian and Stephane can't do it). Going clean would be key for them, and they would not risk a quad. This is, of coutrse, my very humble opinion.

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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   13.02.10 21:05

The first photo of Brian at Vancouver !

http://tweetphoto.com/11289164
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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   13.02.10 21:14

Héhéhé this pleases to see Brian from a distance, lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   13.02.10 22:06

Some photos from the training :

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0gK36IQcOP2ay?q=brian+joubert

http://www.daylife.com/photo/01DrgEn75R2RX?q=brian+joubert
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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   14.02.10 1:54

Thanks for the photo links, Alex! Love them.

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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   14.02.10 2:25

thank you so much alex Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   14.02.10 9:11

Thank you for all infos and photos!!!!!
I hope E. Lysacek will be in good shape to beat Mr Chan LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   14.02.10 10:39

from http://www.michaelweiss.org/vancouver.htm:

"Joubert (France) This was his first time in the arena, and he had a great practice. Nice triple Axel in his runthru, and he walked thru what looked like 2 Quad toes, from one end to the other in the opening of his long. No Quad Salcows, not even walked. But huge triple Lutz and Flips. All in all a very good practice!"
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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   14.02.10 10:40

Thanks for the photos and news ladies!
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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   14.02.10 12:54

Thanks for everything ladies and let's hope what's on the practices stays for the events.
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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   14.02.10 15:02

Thanks for the news! bisousfleurs

Some more photos:
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/100213/59/36kj3.html
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/100213/59/36kjf.html (i wonder what that amulet represents Razz )
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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   14.02.10 15:07

This is an interesting closeup: http://www.daylife.com/photo/04Mgeoa17Qagw?q=Brian+Joubert

Does he have protection on the top of his boot, so that he won't cut himself again?

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PostSubject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)   14.02.10 15:42

Yes he has,Lonnie.He decided to make it after an injury in november.
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