Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP)

Number of posts: 18 Age: 28 Registration date: 2006-11-23

Anastasia wrote:

LOL actually that blond guy is *cough cough* MAXIM STAVIYSKIY - world champion in dances 2007 in pair with Albena Denkova.I guess there'll be another question,what is he doing there with Brian?lol Ok,so he is actually Brian's choreographer during this Olympic season.

Ah ok, thanks for answering my question. I don't follow ice dancing, I don't know why, but I just don't find it very enjoyable. But after looking at more pictures of Maxim, I think I do remember seeing him before because one of the skating outfits of his looks familiar.

Subject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP) 21.02.10 11:42

I don't think the link's been posted before, if so, apologies.

Tatiana Tarasova qualifies the high evaluation of Lysacek's program components "hooliganism":

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/02/russian-officials-plushenko-deserved-the-gold.html

Subject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP) 21.02.10 12:13

durlindana wrote:

I don't think the link's been posted before, if so, apologies.

Tatiana Tarasova qualifies the high evaluation of Lysacek's program components "hooliganism":

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/02/russian-officials-plushenko-deserved-the-gold.html

Thank you!!!!!!

Subject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP) 21.02.10 12:25

http://ow.ly/19uD4

Plush wants to skate in Sochi ...

Subject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP) 21.02.10 12:55

If Plushenkos presence will help to turn back figure skating into athletics instead of "art", then Im not against it. I never thought there would be a case when I would be on Plushenkos side...

Subject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP) 21.02.10 14:42

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Plushenko: My spin is not bad, my steps are not bad, my performance here was much better than in the European Championships, I had transitions, I had more choreography."

Not bad sounds like not good either.
I am always for the complete skater more then the jumper.
Stephane Lambiel has better spins then everyone
Brian Joubert mostly has great step sequences.
Plushy has the best jumps - most of the time.

If you look at it closely everyone has thing where he is better and where he is weaker.

Only because Plushy has his weakness besides the jumps he is telling everyone that the jumps need to be the main focus.

I am more then happy that the art won over the technics this time. While will always remember the whole programm more then who jumped what. For example: I still remember what Yaguding skated at the Olympics 2002 (The man in the iron mask) or what Candelore skated (DÁrtagnan) but I couldn´t tell you what Programm Plushi had.

And I can only repeat myself that I think that Daisuke should have a better place for his perfect combination on both parts.

I wish that Yagudin would be able to skate at Olympics then we wouldn´t have this discussion because he would have won with great jumps and a powerful programm. And Plushi couldn´t whine all the time that the Winner isn´t worth it....smile

Subject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP) 21.02.10 15:23

I don't agree with art winning over technical in men's skating but can understand some may have a different view, however, the problem here is that there was absolutely no art whatsoever in the gold medallist's performance, like there was no reference nor link to the music he skated to, it was cold, boring and without any emotion to it at all. Hence the comments stating that we see no justification of this gold at all.
Plushenko had better technics regardless of the shaky landings (even though it obviously doesn't count anymore lol) and also better choreography and interpretation which didn't limit itself to windmill arm movements if one bothers to watch his feet every once in a while.

So this new system favours art over technical elements? fine, but let's have an artist please, because in this case Weir and Lambiel, and a few others too should have medalled over Lysacek.

Do not worry, if this ridiculous new judging system has its way then in a few years time men will only jump doubles this way Yagudin could make a come back in his mid thirties and bury them all, but somehow I don't think he'd be proud to skate a junior level program, lol.

Subject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP) 21.02.10 15:26

durlindana wrote:

Do not worry, if this ridiculous new judging system has its way then in a few years time men will only jump doubles this way Yagudin could make a come back in his mid thirties and bury them all, but somehow I don't think he'd be proud to skate a junior level program, lol.

This is the coolest comment of the day!

Subject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP) 21.02.10 16:06

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Subject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP) 21.02.10 16:26

Nastya, LOL!! lach

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Subject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP) 21.02.10 16:35

Subject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP) 21.02.10 16:47

I saw this photo and I well have laughs by seeing them and again! Thank you Nastusha!

lach

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Subject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP) 21.02.10 16:59

Titanilla wrote:

durlindana wrote:

Do not worry, if this ridiculous new judging system has its way then in a few years time men will only jump doubles this way Yagudin could make a come back in his mid thirties and bury them all, but somehow I don't think he'd be proud to skate a junior level program, lol.

This is the coolest comment of the day!

Oooh, love it, Titi! And Nastya, that is really funny.

But realy, I don't think Plushy has a leg to stand on. He skated the program pretty much as in Tallinn - some more technical content, a little worse on jump landing, all in all pretty similar and, lo and behold, he got pretty much the same marks.

Lysacek, too - he got around the same PCS marks as he got at GPF (a little lower, actually), but with a clean skate, so a better TES. In hindsight, the writing was on the wall all along, only we refused to see it. We thougt the GPF marks were infalted - they were simply the prelude to the real thing.

But I don't believe that here art won over tech. Lysacek and Plushy were tied (!!) on PCS. It was the tech score taht won Evan the title, and that is what is staggering. He skated the perfect CoP program, milked it for every fraction of a point and rightly won, under the current rules. I cannot remember a single second of his program, save for the impression of long arms in black sleeves flying around. Not a thing. Is that the sort of program we want winning OGM? Nothing against Evan, who really did his job. It's just that I hate what he had to do.

I rooted for Plushy because of everything that went on before the games, but really, the one who should have won was Takahashi - he had everything, the art - he got the highest PCS, attempted 8 riples and a quad, fell on the quad attempt, had a triple DGed - and wham, ended up BEHIND Mr. Transitions, who fell on his 3A... Huh??? I just don't get this system. I mean, I get the math, I am good with math, but do we want an accountant to design the winning program in Sochi?

That said, the Russians should not go on about Plushy being robbed, because it sound sore and is not helping neither Plushy nor men's skating. They should be concentrating on pushing for changes in the code. I'd think they have enough muscle to do something about it, so that Plushy CAN win in Sochi...

Lonnie

Subject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP) 21.02.10 17:10

Nastya, I already saw it on Russian forum and had a laugh of a day Very Happy

Subject: Re: Vancouver -Mens event (SP&LP) 21.02.10 17:29

Concerning the art vs tech discussion - what I miss are skaters who tell a story with their programms. I am a huge Yagudin fan, not only because of his jumps but because he was kind of like a story-teller on the ice. For example the Gladiator and the Man-in-the-Iron-Mask programm - it was like with every move in it he was telling a part of the whole story, like everything fittet the music perfectly. Even the jumps.
This is why I don't like Lysacek's way of skating - people can tell me what the want about him beeing the one who had the most artful or esthetic programm, because I just can't find any artistry in it like I always could in Lyoshas programms. ...