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ana

Number of posts: 2 Age: 29 Registration date: 2010-02-21
 | Subject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future 05.03.10 20:56 | |
| I think was a mistake for Brain Joubert to switched Jean-Christophe Simond. I like Jean-Christophe Simond, seems a nice person, calme and a good coach. |
|  | | Anastasia Moderator

Number of posts: 4091 Age: 24 Localisation: Moscow, Russia Registration date: 2006-06-13
 | Subject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future 06.03.10 5:20 | |
| | ana wrote: | | I think was a mistake for Brain Joubert to switched Jean-Christophe Simond. I like Jean-Christophe Simond, seems a nice person, calme and a good coach. |
+100 I completely agree with this._________________  |
|  | | Leki James Bond
Number of posts: 1223 Age: 21 Localisation: Denmark Registration date: 2007-01-30
 | Subject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future 06.03.10 10:43 | |
| [="ana"]I think was a mistake for Brain Joubert to switched Jean-Christophe Simond. I like Jean-Christophe Simond, seems a nice person, calme and a good coach.[/quote] My impression too. |
|  | | Gislaine The Boss

Number of posts: 11174 Localisation: Lyon ,France Registration date: 2006-06-10
 | Subject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future 06.03.10 14:04 | |
| | Catkeeper wrote: | To answer Suzanne's question why Florent Amodio is not part of the test, I think this whole test is designed to be a punishment for Brian. Apparently it wasn't enough to humiliate Brian publicly during the Olympics, calling him vulgar names that are not fit to repeat on this forum.
Didier Gailhaguet knows very well that Brian isn't going to have any trouble getting past Yannick or Alban. Brian's problem is his nerves during the big competitions. When he has to face all the other top men at worlds or the Olympics, he starts to doubt himself. Brian needs to be well trained and believe in himself. He also needs to stop carrying weight of the whole French Skating Federation on his shoulders.
In my opinion, this test skate is a big waste of time.
Laura |
I do not think that this test is to punish Brian but the fédé very much likes tests and does not follow "its way of selection" many years. Florent is for nothing for this test he had given the choice afterwards are champion title of France! If Brian is not ready for Turin, it is better for him not to participate in it to rebuild better and it will never be a loss of safe time qi he does not do a job on one etc... What I would like to know or go t' him to train, with which coach etc... What would need for him it is a strict coach, that he listens to him in 10000 %, and especially as the fédé does not intervene inside but there..._________________ Gislaine |
|  | | Blue Bead Moderator
Number of posts: 1973 Age: 64 Localisation: Ohio, USA Registration date: 2006-06-13
 | Subject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future 06.03.10 18:34 | |
| Catkeeper wrote: | Quote: | When he has to face all the other top men at worlds or the Olympics, he starts to doubt himself. Brian needs to be well trained and believe in himself. He also needs to stop carrying weight of the whole French Skating Federation on his shoulders.
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I think it should be pointed out none of us knows for certain that part of Brian's problem is self doubt. There are any number of reasons for a failure to deliver a top performance in a compeition; no where did I read anything that Brian choked when was out there on the ice, lol. So, let's not state that as fact. Personally, I doubt very much that Brian lost enough confidence in himself to produce the results of this just past Olympics. Rather I would attribute it to all the pressure he is under from the FFSG and his less-than-supportive mentor, Gailhaguet.
Brian is "well trained," BTW, otherwise he could not have reached the level of elite skating which he has. Perhaps you could be a lot more specific in your objections so that the rest of us could understand better to what you are referring, lol.
I am one of those who thinks that the return to Depouilly was not a good idea and perhaps he should have stayed with JC, although I don't think JC was strict enough to keep Brian in check. Frankly, I don't think Brian has found the right coach, yet. He needs to keep looking.
Mary C. |
|  | | Eli Daft Punk

Number of posts: 2565 Age: 25 Localisation: Warsaw/Poland Registration date: 2006-06-13
 | Subject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future 06.03.10 22:26 | |
| | Blue Bead wrote: | I am one of those who thinks that the return to Depouilly was not a good idea and perhaps he should have stayed with JC, although I don't think JC was strict enough to keep Brian in check. Frankly, I don't think Brian has found the right coach, yet. He needs to keep looking.
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I liked JC. I still think he was the best coach Brian has ever had but all those changes in the layout of the jumps in the very last minute before the programm were damn bad! I would prefere Brian being coach by JC with the attitude of doing THE JOB  |
|  | | Titanilla Ces soirées-là

Number of posts: 3898 Age: 28 Localisation: Rimavská Sobota, Slovakia Registration date: 2006-06-13
 | Subject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future 07.03.10 10:04 | |
| | Eli wrote: | I still think he was the best coach Brian has ever had but all those changes in the layout of the jumps in the very last minute before the programm were damn bad! I would prefere Brian being coach by JC with the attitude of doing THE JOB  |
The jump layout changes were stupid. JCS was a brilliant technician and he knows the COP well, I agree with Eli that last minute changes did much damage.... |
|  | | Catkeeper Untouchable
Number of posts: 54 Age: 47 Localisation: California, USA Registration date: 2010-02-19
 | Subject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future 07.03.10 10:12 | |
| Blue Bead wrote
[quote] "Perhaps you could be a lot more specific in your objections so that the rest of us could understand better to what you are referring, lol."
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Blue Bead, I tried to keep my comments brief because I tend to ramble. Since you appear to be offended by my last post, I will explain in more detail.
1) I agree that Brian gets far too much pressure from the FFSG and not enough support from Didier Gailhaguet. That is one of the points I tried make in my previous post. I don't hear about DG cursing and berating the other skaters when they don't win a medal. He expects Brian to carry the load for the entire federation and it stinks.
2) I agree with everyone who has said that Brian should have kept J.S. Simond as his coach, although Simond was not perfect. There are other top coaches he should consider as well, even if that means training in another country.
3) I did not say that Brian had "choked", although I have to say that the short program at the Olympics was pretty bad. If you recall, the people on this forum were either speechless, in shock or in tears. I believe somebody used the word "catastrophe".
4) As far as Brian's self doubt is concerned, I've seen this several times. He tends to cut back a little and get more cautious at the big competitions. Brian still skates very well, but sometimes he cuts back too much and ends up in second or third place instead of winning. The examples I remember are the free skates from Worlds in 2008 and 2009.
Now in Vancouver, Brian appeared to have a full blown panic attack. I watched it again tonight, which was painful. It looked to me like he almost froze up. Brian skated very slow going into all the jumps. He gave up on his lutz, and fell on it anyway. It really looked to me like self doubt entered Brian's mind as he went up for the triple lutz. Actually, I'm amazed he got through the rest of the program.
So if you think its the pressure rather than the self doubt, that's fine with me. There is something mental involved. I agree with your post on Wednesday, February 17,(Feeling Devastated thread) when you suggested that he needed to work with a psychologist. I hope he will consider it.
5) About Being "Well Trained", I stand corrected. I should have said that Brian needs to have more confidence in his training. Frank Carroll is always telling Evan "You've well trained." "You've prepared for this." "You're ready." Evan believes it. Brain needs to have that kind of coaching.
I'm not trying to pick on Brian. He is my favorite skater. I miss him. I miss the Brian Joubert who was strong and confident. I miss the Brian Joubert from from Euros 2004, Worlds 2004, Worlds 2006, TEB 2006, Cup of Russia 2006, Worlds 2007, Skate Canada SP 2007, and Worlds 2008.
6) This is my last point. As many on this board have already said, Brian's dependence on his mother, at his age, is a problem. I recall from an interview that Madame Joubert comes home from work every day to make Brian's lunches. Brian is old enough to make his own lunch! I suspect this is why he doesn't want to go to Canada or the U.S. to train or even leave Poitiers. Brian's mother does everything for him except skate. He needs to do more for himself. Perhaps if Brian felt more capable of taking care of himself, he might be more willing to train in another country.
Well, I hope I have provided enough specifics. I probably offended somebody else in the process. Oh well. Its 1:06 a.m. and I have to get some sleep. I wish Brian well for the test skate and for worlds.
Laura[left][left] |
|  | | Roosje Caruso

Number of posts: 383 Age: 25 Localisation: Pays Bas Registration date: 2008-11-30
 | Subject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future 07.03.10 13:03 | |
| Does she really come back from work just to make him lunch...? My, even my mum, whom I admit I am really dependent on, doesn't even do that. Still, I don't think lunch is the reason for Brian's reluctance to go abroad... |
|  | | Cloudkicker09 Untouchable

Number of posts: 122 Age: 27 Localisation: Chicago 2016 Registration date: 2006-06-16
 | Subject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future 07.03.10 15:44 | |
| Brian should be coached by Brian Orser and start seeing a sport psycologist.
I hate to say it but maybe an ultimatium from the French Federation will FORCE Brian to move abroad to train with Orser or some REALLY qualifed. Although my first choice would be Orser. |
|  | | Anastasia Moderator

Number of posts: 4091 Age: 24 Localisation: Moscow, Russia Registration date: 2006-06-13
 | Subject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future 07.03.10 16:59 | |
| Does Yu-na retire?Otherwise Orser won't take Brian. _________________  |
|  | | Gislaine The Boss

Number of posts: 11174 Localisation: Lyon ,France Registration date: 2006-06-10
 | Subject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future 07.03.10 17:27 | |
| I do not know if Yuna goes on or not.Est-ce that the Korean fédé will encourage Yu-Na Kim to follow competitions, it is big question. Brian spoke about Kurt Browning also and to go to internship in Russia (in more he wanted to continue his aevc Albena job and Maxim) but for the moment there is not information. It is only pure speculation. Brian had very good results in 2007 by being in Poitiers and if this does not go oust out of Poitiers and I even do not speak about its "circle". lol! Je ne sais pas si Yuna continuer ou pas. Est-CE QUE LA FEDE poussera coréenne Yu-Na Kim de Poursuivre les compétitions, c'est la grande question. Brian parlait de Kurt Browning et aussi d'aller en stage en Russie (en plus il Voulait travail fils continuateur aeVC Albena et Maxim) mais pour le moment il n 'ya pas d'infos. N'est ce que pure spéculation. Brian a eu d'excellents résultats en 2007 en etant à Poitiers et si ça ne va pas chasser hors de Poitiers et je ne parle même pas de l'entourage de son fils. lol! _________________ Gislaine |
|  | | Anastasia Moderator

Number of posts: 4091 Age: 24 Localisation: Moscow, Russia Registration date: 2006-06-13
 | Subject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future 07.03.10 17:49 | |
| I still believe the matter is in the COACH,not in the location of the trainings. As Gis mentioned we have an example of 2007,when Brian stayed in Poitiers,but succeeded in everything! _________________  |
|  | | choco_kit Mexican Hat Dance

Number of posts: 36 Age: 19 Localisation: Sepsiszentgyorgy, Transylvania Registration date: 2010-03-01
 | Subject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future 07.03.10 19:08 | |
| Is there any chance that Brian will agree to move abroad to train? Sure, I also think that it is a matter of coach, but the most famous coaches are living abroad... it is a great performance that Brian managed with not the most well-known coaches in Poitiers in the years before, but training with big name coaches could make it even better, I think. |
|  | | Blue Bead Moderator
Number of posts: 1973 Age: 64 Localisation: Ohio, USA Registration date: 2006-06-13
 | Subject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future 07.03.10 19:15 | |
| Catkeeper wrote:| Quote: | Blue Bead, I tried to keep my comments brief because I tend to ramble. Since you appear to be offended by my last post, I will explain in more detail.
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Laura....Not to get nit-pickey, here, LOL, but my reason for objecting to the lack of details in your post has nothing to do with my being offended--far from it, LOL. My real concern is that one of the dozens of visitors to BJDG may wrongly assume that what you did include in the earlier post is fact and not your assumption as to the situation. I can't tell you the number of times I've seen misquotes attributed to "something" someone has gleaned out of our threads. Re your orignal comment:
| Quote: | | When he has to face all the other top men at worlds or the Olympics, he starts to doubt himself. |
as to "choking," and in the case of his Olympic perforance, that is what happened (you can "call" it panic attack, if you wish, lol).
BTW, thank you for getting "specific." In regards to your point #4, again this is an assumption on your part, that Brian has confidence issues when he appears to get overly cautious as he skates his programs. Unfortunately, none of us as the ability to get inside Brian's head when he's at these competitions, although a bunch of us wish we could, and so we search for explanations for what we think is the case and often times what we think is not the case, at all. Until Brian admits to having decision issues which affect his confidence none of us can do more than suspect that such is the case. We need to be clear when we post comments on the subject, lest somebody 'out there' thinks what they've read, here, is fact.
Do I think he gets overly cautious? Yep, I do but there may be other reasons for that caution rather than what you and others assume to be the case; that is the point I am making.
Cloudkicker wrote:
| Quote: | Brian should be coached by Brian Orser and start seeing a sport psycologist.
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Orser stated, sometime shortly after it became news that Brian and JC had parted ways, that he wasn't interested in coaching Brian because he was putting all his focus on Yu-Na Kim. As to Kurt Browning, I seem to recall he made a rather nasty comment that he wasn't interested in coaching Brian, either. I recall when I read it that I lost a lot of admiration for Kurt because I didn't know he was such a rude dude. I'd really love to see Brian go to Frank Carrol; I think he would have the best shot at turning around Brian's situation and that only a coach on Carrol's level of experience would make a difference. Of course Brian would have to move to the US to train (which wouldn't be all that bad for those of us in the Eastern US who could travel to Florida rather easily, lol).
Mary C. |
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