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PostSubject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future   07.03.10 22:06

Mary, at the time of JCS and Brian splitted, I read an interview of his ex coach who said that everything was prepaired to Brian to train with B. Orser, but he refused saying he " didn't believe in canadians coaches". I'm sorry to say this, but if I have to believe in Brian or JCS comments I chose the last, who always did reliable things. So, I don't think Orser refused to work with another skater just to work only with Yu na, specially because he accepted to work with Adam Rippon after BJ comments. Plus, there was some nasty articles where Brian did a some disrespectful comments about canadians gays skaters...Orser, as you know, is very openly and pride about his sexuality, so perhaps he doesn't feel good to coach Brian.

In my opinion, Brian is in turning point on his career...If he won't do some changes in his life and career, I'm affriad he would ever come forward with a diasappoiting evel of skating ... When was the last time he performed in a single season two new programs? In the latter he had to work only on LP, but not even he got ...

Without help from a soport psychologist, without a good coach, who really understands the COP and not give in to pressure from maman Joubert, I very much doubt that Brian shows any improvement in his skating. I think a change of environment can also help greatly in emotional growth of Brian. To me, it seems a very lame excuse to say that he does not come from Poitiers to be patriotic ... There are several french athletes who train in other countries and by no means are "betraying the honor French", by contrast, would better Brian, it could develop its full potential, even outside of France, and with this by giving more medals to the country. It seems to me that, in fact, he does not want to drop his fishes, his dog, his bike, his car, maman Jou jou food and all the adulation of the people of Poitiers do to him and be just one of the world.

I don't not want anyone to be offended with my opinion, but as a fan of Brian since 2005 I am very sad to note that he is dropping very fast on his level.


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PostSubject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future   08.03.10 3:14

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Plus, there was some nasty articles where Brian did a some disrespectful comments about canadians gays skaters...Orser, as you know, is very openly and pride about his sexuality, so perhaps he doesn't feel good to coach Brian.

Yes, Iza, I remember reading those articles, as well, and they pointed up that Brian has a propensity for making politically incorrect comments ( I cringed when I read those articles that he was that tactless, lol). I think you are correct that Orser probably would not consider coaching Brian because of those snide comments. I can't say I blame him, either. Brian's comments were reprehensible.

I, also, agree with you that Brian is at a turning point in his figure skating career and if he doesn't make the right choices, he stands to lose everything he's gained. As it is he'll have to work overtime to correct the damage he has done with his words. This is not something he can handle on his own, though. A sports psychologist is vital to his success to point out what is right or wrong about his currect way of thinking and to direct him into more productive ideas. I think Brian has a long, difficult road ahead of him on this front and the sooner he gets started on it, the lesser the chances that the things with which he deals will have a detrimental effect on the competitions this fall and in 2011. He needs a new, improved attitude and a new way of analyzing and handling issues. The coach and the psychologist must work hand in hand to turn him around into a positive direction.

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PostSubject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future   08.03.10 3:52

BlueBead: Where's the link to that article? I would like to read it.
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PostSubject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future   08.03.10 4:01

I also think Brian needs to see a psychiatrist, not a psychologist. I personally think that Brian might be having a chemical imbalance that's making him not his usual self. I think that possibly, anti-depression medication may be the trick.
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PostSubject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future   08.03.10 4:30

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BlueBead: Where's the link to that article? I would like to read it.


Sorry, ThoseDancingDays, I don't have links to give you on those article. Perhaps one of the other members can help you with that. As I recall the articles in question were posted elsewhere on this board at the time. However, whether they are still available online may be in doubt due to the length of time which has passed since they were published.

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PostSubject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future   08.03.10 8:27

Yes,i also doubt,that Orser or Browning will take Brian after some kind of contradiction between them...Frankly speaking,i can't picture Brian to be trained by the gay(i'm sorry)........And Kurt was a bit impolite towards Brian too,so it wont be pleasant to smile at a person who used to say some rude stuff about you.I've always liked Kurt,however after certain moments i've changed my opinion.
Without offense,Frank Caroll is too old i guess to carry 2 pupils,he has Nagasu(sorry if i spelled her name in a wrong way),she is very promising and talented,it demands much time and effort,moreover the situation with Evan is not clear yet.

Russian trainers are likely to be unwilling to take Brian.Who do we have?Urmanov,Mishin,TAT?I strongly doubt about them...
If Albena&Maxim remain,they'll probably ask Alexandr Julin for some advise,but well...let's wait and see.

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PostSubject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future   08.03.10 9:57

ThoseDancingDays wrote:
I also think Brian needs to see a psychiatrist, not a psychologist. I personally think that Brian might be having a chemical imbalance that's making him not his usual self. I think that possibly, anti-depression medication may be the trick.


ThoseDancingDays...come on...are you a specialist on the matter? Do you know Brian, are you a psychiatrist yourself?
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PostSubject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future   08.03.10 10:00

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Mary, at the time of JCS and Brian splitted, I read an interview of his ex coach who said that everything was prepaired to Brian to train with B. Orser, but he refused saying he " didn't believe in canadians coaches". I'm sorry to say this, but if I have to believe in Brian or JCS comments I chose the last, who always did reliable things. So, I don't think Orser refused to work with another skater just to work only with Yu na, specially because he accepted to work with Adam Rippon after BJ comments. Plus, there was some nasty articles where Brian did a some disrespectful comments about canadians gays skaters...Orser, as you know, is very openly and pride about his sexuality, so perhaps he doesn't feel good to coach Brian.
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My, that really is quite rude from Brian's part. Don't get me wrong, I still hugely respect, admire and support him, but such comments are so tactless...plus, stupid, since they may have ruined his chances of working with Frank Caroll for ever... Maybe he didn't mean them like that...
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PostSubject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future   08.03.10 12:06

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BlueBead: Where's the link to that article? I would like to read it.


Sorry, ThoseDancingDays, I don't have links to give you on those article. Perhaps one of the other members can help you with that. As I recall the articles in question were posted elsewhere on this board at the time. However, whether they are still available online may be in doubt due to the length of time which has passed since they were published.

Mary C.


Tosedancingdays you might try the article section... don't know how far it will go back!

I can see someone has just split the topic
lol! I was looking for these 2 pages haha

I don't really know what to think about the coaching topic! Brian proved he could take all the medals in 2007 while staying in Poitiers, but maybe this time it would help Brian. Maybe a stupid example, but one of my classmates did her internship in Honk Kong for 4 moths and when she came back she told me that it was a whole new experience for her, she felt like she had grown as a person, more mature. I don't know if this would have the same effect on Brian, cause every person is different. But as one of my fortune coockies once told me; a true wisemen learns from everybody Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future   08.03.10 12:16

I never really realized that those comments could impact Brian’s possibilities to get a top coach. And now that I think of it, those comments could also impact to some judges..?

I agree with you that Brian is now on the turning point of his career. I think many people already think that he is past of his prime and I read from a French forum that the French fede is planning to make Amodio their number one skater. That could mean that Brian won’t get such good points from judges anymore, I don’t know. All of this makes me feel so bad and sad. I really hope Brian will get an amazing coach who can make him shine again. And I think next season he needs to change both his SP and FS. Many people are getting tired of his SP and the FS is lacking something… It is a lot of work and I think he needs new programs and a fresh start.
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PostSubject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future   08.03.10 16:17

Wow, after olympics i didnt think I could get any more depressed about my fav skater, but reading everything here (though most of which I also think but try to ignore for the sake of not getting more depressed) just sealed the deal! Very Happy
Btw, someone mentioned to me that she read Joubert stating that he did try a psychologist and it wasnt for him (didnt work out). She also pointed out that for someone having serious trust issues, opening up to a psychologist for intensive therapy might not work at all. Just some thoughts..
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PostSubject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future   08.03.10 18:34

Just because it didn't work the one time, doesn't mean it won't work the next... But I can understand his reluctance...still, it certainly won't hurt to try...
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PostSubject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future   08.03.10 18:58

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Btw, someone mentioned to me that she read Joubert stating that he did try a psychologist and it wasnt for him (didnt work out). She also pointed out that for someone having serious trust issues, opening up to a psychologist for intensive therapy might not work at all. Just some thoughts..

Now that you mentioned it, I seem to recall having read something to that effect, also, but it has been at least a couple of years ago. If Brian did seek assistance from a psychologist and it didn't turn out as he'd hoped, he really should try a different psychologist. There are some real goof-ball professionals 'out there.' LOL. Speaking as someone who has worked on several projects with psychologists (although I'm not in that field, myself), I can say that an experienced psychologist who is specifically trained to handle and modify issues of trust could get to the bottom of Brian's problems and gain his complete trust and confidence. It's only through a strong relationship between the client and the clinician that these major difficulties every get resolved and the patient is able to change his/her behavior. There are way too many incidences of misdiagnoses from clinicians who have their own personal "agendas" which foul up the patient's chances of turning things around, so I'm not surprised, at all, that his first sessions didn't go well. The thing is that Brian will need the input of a sports psychologist, not simply a regular, run of the mill, psychologist. These are people who are specifically trained to handle cases involving the issues of both professional and amateur sports persons. A regular clinician would not have sufficient training to deal with all of Brian's sports-specific issues.

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I never really realized that those comments could impact Brian’s possibilities to get a top coach. And now that I think of it, those comments could also impact to some judges..?

Unfortunately, this is the case. Rolling Eyes There's a lot of "politiks" going on behind the scenes in the world of competitive figure skating that the average fan knows nothing about. Brian is somewhat of a "loose cannon" in that one never knows for certain what will come out of his mouth, although he isn't nearly as upredictable as Johnny Weir (thank God! LOL) I have no doubt that Brian's less-than-wise comments have seriously damaged his standing in the eyes of some judges as well as coaches. I just hope he hasn't ruined his future chances for competitive skating and that there is somebody out there who will take on his training.

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I think many people already think that he is past of his prime and I read from a French forum that the French fede is planning to make Amodio their number one skater. That could mean that Brian won’t get such good points from judges anymore, I don’t know.

From all that I've been reading after Brian's implosion and after the Olympics, I would say that the FFSG has decided to cut its losses and drop their support for Brian because, at least in their eyes, he's proven he can't deliver on what he says he can! I would be willing to guess that Brian bragged to the French Fed that he would have no problem handing them a gold medal at the Olympics; he bragged in much the same way that he's done in the media and to his fans. However, when you talk "big" you also have to deliver what you say you can, lol, and Brian has failed in that respect for a couple of years. I do hope Amodio has been paying attention to all that is happening to Brian because the FFSG will put even more pressure on him to deliver top winning performances. They will put him through the same rigorous paces that they've done to Brian and, if Amodio falters, he'll be in major trouble with the French Fed. I wouldn't be in Amodio skates for anything, right now, lol. One wrong move on his part and he's toast, burnt to a crisp by the FFSG.

For those of you who haven't seen the post I made earlier today regarding the interview with the ISU judge, here's the link to that post. It is a MUST read.
http://www.brianjoubert-forum.com/only-for-the-olympics-games-f23/interview-with-a-vancouver-olympics-judge-t1515.htm

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PostSubject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future   09.03.10 8:09

Greta post Mary C, my thoughts completely.
I know the issues with psychologists and it might actually take a few tries before you find someone whom you can trust AND who has the right incentives and experience for your issues. However, to be able to do so, a person has to be willing and commited to the cause at hand and not be doing smth out of sheer panick or cos everyone is telling him so. In my totally personal opinion, Brian seemed to be in a denial stage about his career over a period of years, which made any kind of change or help impossible. Unless a person in denial hits the rock bottom and/or has someone around him who sees whats happening and guides him through it, it is naive to expect improvements from that person. I am hoping what has happened in olympics was that moment for him but I cannot be sure (still)...
About Amodio, what a spot on thing to say! I hope he doesn't get crushed like Brian did by the fede. He's such a nice skater with potential.
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PostSubject: Re: Brian & coaching issues - past, present , future   09.03.10 12:13

I'm sad about his (Brian's) problems as we all. So I will write something sad and Ironick. Brian - let's work with Mishin and Plush Razz hide8up

But in fact I wish he trained with Yagudin.
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