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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 15:48

ATTENTION Figure Skating Officials - We're gonna keep this Judging Travesty in your face until you take action to see this kind of result doesn't happen again. - Peter Murray
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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 16:10

After reading all your comments, I'm really glad I decided not to watch the FP live last night; I was too nervous, and I didn't want to be tired today because I'll have a small birthday party with some of my friends this evening. Now I know what happened, now I'm sad and disappointed but looking forward to watch the recording of the FP - without nervousness. Sometimes it's better for me to know the result before I'm going to watch a competition...

There a two things I can already say: I'm happy for Brian because he skated well and could electrify the Canadian audience, and I'm glad I can share my pride and happiness and also my anger and disappointment with you!! bjdgbanner hug
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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 16:27

I have to say that it was great to see the Canadian audience get behind Brian and his performance. After the business with Buttle back in 2008, and later Chan's little battle back in 2009, the Canadian media regularly portrayed Brian as unsportsmanlike, whiny, a has-been, etc., and while it's not so bad as it was a few years back, Brian still isn't the most popular and respected skater there, from what I gather. Kudos to the audience for responding to what he did on the ice rather than the image that has been pushed in the past.

And I think Brian, by skating well and being classy these last two Worlds despite some highly questionable judging, has earned a lot of respect from people who might not have been fans in the past. I'd rather he earned medals too, and I think he deserved one last year (didn't watch this year) but he still has more championship medals than any of the other guys, and it's cool that he's still pretty competitive at the age of 28 - the oldest guy in the field, if I'm not mistaken. It's strange to think of him in that role, I can still remember the 17 year old in Lausanne...

Fun fact: Brian has been one of the top two Europeans at Worlds every year he's competed except for 2002 and 2011.

Fun fact, non-Brian edition: I think Dai is the second-oldest competitor, followed by Tomas Verner. Brian and Tomas are the only skaters left who competed against Yagudin.

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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 16:35

I watched the men's lp a couple of hours ago as a re-run. I'm relieved that I didn't watch it live because the result would have ruined my whole night! grrrrrrrrrmur Even without that zayaking he still hadn't been near the podium. It was like the judges had decided beforehand not to give him any chance. I knew that the wait and the zooming in on the judges was a bad sign. No I hate that a mean technical panel can ruin people's competitions. I am SO ANGRY!

But I'm happy that Brian seems to be finally getting his head together - no more meltdowns! Danseuse01 He has really been skating great in competitions during these last couple of seasons and it is very enjoyable to watch. I just start to doubt if he ever gets the respect he deserves. What happened last night, never would have happened to Chan for example.

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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 16:44

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And I think Brian, by skating well and being classy these last two Worlds despite some highly questionable judging, has earned a lot of respect from people who might not have been fans in the past. I'd rather he earned medals too, and I think he deserved one last year (didn't watch this year)


I think the results of the these past two championships prove that the French federation has no power whatsoever in the figure skating world anymore. I am already afraid what will happen to P/B tonight. Brian has lost two world medals in a row because of bad judging. Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 17:03

Ladies, why you concealed from me that Javier Fernandez took the bronze? Razz That's great, his first medal at Worlds, I'm happy for him! So at least one of my favourites got the podium...
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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 17:04

Well skated to Brian! allez

Very well done to those talented young men, Denis & Javier, on their first Worlds podium finishes!! clap


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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 17:13

Ok, here are the full results.

Well done also to Jorik, just back after breaking his foot!

Men - Free Skating - Result Details

1 Denis TEN KAZ 174.92 87.76 87.16 8.54 8.43 8.89 8.86 8.86 0.00 #23
2 Patrick CHAN CAN 169.41 82.13 89.28 9.11 8.96 8.61 9.00 8.96 2.00 #21
3 Yuzuru HANYU JPN 169.05 89.05 80.00 8.25 7.75 7.86 8.14 8.00 0.00 #13
4 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP 168.30 83.00 85.30 8.43 8.18 8.36 8.79 8.89 0.00 #15
5 Takahito MURA JPN 160.72 84.50 76.22 7.75 7.39 7.79 7.57 7.61 0.00 #18
6 Max AARON USA 160.16 85.86 74.30 7.61 7.11 7.50 7.39 7.54 0.00 #17
7 Kevin REYNOLDS CAN 154.82 77.04 77.78 7.82 7.61 7.71 7.93 7.82 0.00 #24
8 Daisuke TAKAHASHI JPN 154.36 70.36 85.00 8.54 8.21 8.46 8.50 8.79 1.00 #19
9 Andrei ROGOZINE CAN 149.25 81.03 68.22 6.82 6.50 7.00 7.00 6.79 0.00 #11
10 Brian JOUBERT FRA 148.09 65.81 82.28 8.29 7.82 8.43 8.21 8.39 0.00 #22
11 Michal BREZINA CZE 145.91 70.17 77.74 7.93 7.68 7.68 7.79 7.79 2.00 #20
12 Peter LIEBERS GER 145.64 78.92 66.72 6.61 6.57 6.75 6.75 6.68 0.00 #9
13 Ross MINER USA 141.66 73.38 69.28 7.07 6.82 6.79 6.96 7.00 1.00 #8
14 Maxim KOVTUN RUS 141.55 75.81 66.74 7.04 6.36 6.68 6.75 6.54 1.00 #2
15 Florent AMODIO FRA 141.10 63.52 78.58 7.89 7.61 7.71 8.04 8.04 1.00 #14
16 Misha GE UZB 139.05 68.81 71.24 6.86 6.79 7.29 7.18 7.50 1.00 #12
17 Alexander MAJOROV SWE 135.97 74.41 62.56 6.50 5.89 6.25 6.32 6.32 1.00 #7
18 Nan SONG CHN 134.65 68.05 66.60 7.00 6.54 6.54 6.68 6.54 0.00 #16
19 Jorik HENDRICKX BEL 130.15 70.09 60.06 6.18 5.71 6.18 5.96 6.00 0.00 #4
20 Viktor PFEIFER AUT 125.34 63.70 61.64 6.39 5.75 6.14 6.18 6.36 0.00 #5
21 Yakov GODOROZHA UKR 113.10 60.26 53.84 5.57 5.25 5.32 5.39 5.39 1.00 #6
22 Tomas VERNER CZE 112.45 39.87 72.58 7.36 7.04 6.89 7.50 7.50 0.00 #10
23 Viktor ROMANENKOV EST 111.76 58.90 53.86 5.68 5.18 5.25 5.46 5.36 1.00 #3
24 Justus STRID DEN 101.98 48.82 55.16 5.43 5.14 5.61 5.61 5.79 2.00 #1

Men - Overall Result

1 Patrick CHAN CAN 267.78 1 2
2 Denis TEN KAZ 266.48 2 1
3 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP 249.06 7 4
4 Yuzuru HANYU JPN 244.99 9 3
5 Kevin REYNOLDS CAN 239.98 3 7
6 Daisuke TAKAHASHI JPN 239.03 4 8
7 Max AARON USA 238.36 8 6
8 Takahito MURA JPN 234.18 11 5
9 Brian JOUBERT FRA 232.26 5 10
10 Michal BREZINA CZE 229.00 6 11
11 Peter LIEBERS GER 216.84 13 12
12 Florent AMODIO FRA 216.83 10 15
13 Andrei ROGOZINE CAN 216.60 18 9
14 Ross MINER USA 211.90 14 13
15 Nan SONG CHN 207.68 12 18
16 Misha GE UZB 207.50 15 16
17 Maxim KOVTUN RUS 207.40 19 14
18 Alexander MAJOROV SWE 204.29 16 17
19 Jorik HENDRICKX BEL 192.19 23 19
20 Viktor PFEIFER AUT 189.44 21 20
21 Tomas VERNER CZE 180.50 17 22
22 Viktor ROMANENKOV EST 177.09 20 23
23 Yakov GODOROZHA UKR 174.98 24 21
24 Justus STRID DEN 165.23 22 24
25 Maciej CIEPLUCHA POL FNR 25
26 Jin Seo KIM KOR FNR 26
27 Paolo BACCHINI ITA FNR 27
28 Abzal RAKIMGALIEV KAZ FNR 28
29 Zoltan KELEMEN ROU FNR 29
30 Ronald LAM HKG FNR 30
31 Alexei BYCHENKO ISR FNR 31
32 Kim LUCINE MON FNR 32
33 Paul Bonifacio PARKINSON ITA FNR 33
34 Christopher CALUZA PHI FNR 34
WD Pavel IGNATENKO BLR

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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 17:19

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Ladies, why you concealed from me that Javier Fernandez took the bronze? Razz That's great, his first medal at Worlds, I'm happy for him! So at least one of my favourites got the podium...

Yeah, at least there was something positive in that competition, Fernandez's medal. But I think Brian would have deserved the bronze. All in all it wasn't a great competition, only a few clean skates and bizarre judging.
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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 17:20

Brian skated like a fighter yesterday and this is all that matters to me. I was proud of him as Ive been proud throughout the years.
He was happy when he finished his program and he enjoyed it so much, he lifted my spirits once again. Honestly, I cant get the judging but I dont care about it. Im happy that Brian delivered such a performance and Im extraordinarily proud of him!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 17:22

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Ladies, why you concealed from me that Javier Fernandez took the bronze? Razz That's great, his first medal at Worlds, I'm happy for him! So at least one of my favourites got the podium...
me too, I'm happy for Javier! firstly, I was too sorry for Brian's place and forgot about Javi who was really great! yes, at one of my favorites too Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 17:34

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Yulie wrote:

And I think Brian, by skating well and being classy these last two Worlds despite some highly questionable judging, has earned a lot of respect from people who might not have been fans in the past. I'd rather he earned medals too, and I think he deserved one last year (didn't watch this year)


I think the results of the these past two championships prove that the French federation has no power whatsoever in the figure skating world anymore. I am already afraid what will happen to P/B tonight. Brian has lost two world medals in a row because of bad judging. Evil or Very Mad

I don't think it's so much lack of power as not knowing how to use that power. You could say that the French have too much of a good thing - they have two top level skaters but, traditionally, only one skater is considered "number one" in his/her country and all of a federation's backing go to that skater. You could look at the scores of Kozuka (Japan #2/#3) and Suzuki and see that they are repeatedly undescored, especially in the PCS, for the same reason. With the French fed they had two skaters of seemingly equal strength, so they bet their horses on the young one, who could give them years of skating. I think it was quite evident at Euros and TEB (compare Brian and Florent's PCS). Not so in London, where Brian skated very well and Florent messed up.

BTW, I was going through the protocols (to see how the judges robbed Brian of a podium place - they didn't, he had no chance before he even started, unless he LANDED that 4S) and noticed that most men (16 of the 24 in the LP) had 5 jumping passes after the mark (very well balanced, I know) while 5 men had 4 jumping passes in each half. Only Brian and two of the guys lower down had 5 passes in the first half and 3 in the second. The difference in BV is more than one point - still wouldn't have made a difference but something to think about.

Anyway, at the same time I noticed that Amodio had only 12 elements instead of 13 and the missing element was a jumping pass. I went back to the Euros protocol to see what he had missed and saw that he had only 12 elements, 7 jumping passes then, as well. What's up with that? I am not a fan of Morozov's work but he's usually smarter than that...

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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 17:45

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BTW, I was going through the protocols (to see how the judges robbed Brian of a podium place - they didn't, he had no chance before he even started, unless he LANDED that 4S)

Thanks for your work! thanks I am 100% sure that with this kind of technical panel Brian's 4S would have been downgraded too, so it didn't matter.
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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 17:48

I was trying to write something reasonable here after all my rant and venting of anger and frustration over all the judging on my Facebook, but I realized there's no more point anymore. I can just join Titi and say:
I am EXTREMELY proud of Brian, as I've always been and am overjoyed that he gave such great performances in his last two Worlds of his career (Nice and now London) Very Happy
And I agree with the kudos to the Canadian audience, since that loud cheers and the standing ovation must have been a paradise to Brian's ears, as it was to mine Smile Apart from Vancouver, everytime he's been to Canada in a competition, he got great response so it's great to see that despite of what was written and said about him there over the years, people can appreciate quality when they see it Smile

I'm emotionally exhausted, but also overjoyed by seeing Brian delivering yet again, and that's all that matters Very Happy

Oh and one more thing: BIG kudos to Katia Krier for helping him to find the joy and fun in his skating again, I really hope they'll stay together until the Olympics! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 18:46

I share the opinion. The scores for Brian was mockery and the Brian's cynicism laughter express everything !
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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 18:50

Ladies, I thought this might interest you - it's a Twitter conversation between Ryan Bradley and Jeffrey Buttle. I figure if anyone might have some ill will toward Brian, it would be Buttle - but while he does not think that Brian should have medalled, he had some nice things to say, noting that although he did not agree with Ryan's assessment, he was happy for Brian and also:
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I was watching him and thought "you show these young guys how a quad is done!" He nailed it tonight!
Also, Christina Gao got a bunch of people to use a BSWorlds13 hashtag. Ha ha.

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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 20:07

As much as I agree Brian did great, I don't think he deserved bronze. No way. He should've been in the top 5, though Wink
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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 20:20

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my emotions:

1. happy 2. so proud 3. shocked 4. furious 5. disappointed

my feelings were the same. i'm still can't believe what happened.. i don't know whether to laugh or to cry.. OK, Brian did a mistake with his 3F.. Question But excuse me, he didn't fall than others!!! It seems to me the judges scored the falls.. OK, i guess i'll never understand this, i'm stop it..

We know he is a big fighter.. We also proud of him.. And the most important thing that he is smiling.. So i hope now he got an extra power from this.. and he will kick everybody's ass in my hometown in the next year as in 2004, and rock the house in Sochi too!
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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 20:48

Also that pic doesn't show that he was happy with the scores but who would? In general he handled it very good and mature. Good for him. He took it better than me Razz
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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   16.03.13 22:52

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Also, Christina Gao got a bunch of people to use a BSWorlds13 hashtag. Ha ha.

I'm still using it. Wink

Going to the protocols to explain what happened is only a way to fool yourself. The whole judging system is set up to explain whatever bullshit they come up with. People point to under rotations or a lower level as "the answer" to why a skater deserves the shitty placement that they got. But that doesn't prove anything. Just because a protocol says that's what happened that doesn't mean it really is. Those marks aren't gospel. They are meant to be manipulated. And after a few years of watching this closely I think I know how to do it now. The worst part is the judges and those who control them know that we know what they're doing. And they don't care. They don't have to care. We can't do anything to them. Until someone busts this whole thing wide open and makes it a Lance Armstrong sized controversy it will just be this same small gaggle of figure skating fans complaining to each other every time.

This article about the Team Medal in the Olympics still sites NBC, the American television company that broadcasts the Olympics, as the biggest monetary contributor to the IOC. I didn't know this. This means the US has the power to push for any change we want. So someone here could do something about this nonsense. But they don't because they want to use it for their own ends. But figure skating is barely a spectator sport in this country anymore. They should do something about it because they could be making a lot more money on the sport if the fans came back. And the fans would if they thought it was fair. But the way it is now it keeps sliding into obscurity. I hope one of our former champions or several of them get fed up enough with what happened to their sport that they start doing something behind the scenes.
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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   17.03.13 12:46

hé bé



Merci Alex d'avoir donner l'info sur la page facebook du BJDG!Thank you Alex of credit to give information on the facebook page of BJDG!


Brian is invited by the organization to take part to the gala tomorrow !
Thanks to our followers on twitter for the info !


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PostSubject: Re: 2013 World Championships - Men   17.03.13 12:56

Finally some good news. This proves that he deserved to be at top 5 and they showed that by inviting him to gala. A small way to correct what the judges did. I keep reading on fb that it's nice because it was his last worlds and it's good to have a last world gala but I keep thinking that maybe he will change his mind next season and compete at worlds after OG. I hope he does. I feel nostalgic thinking that he won't be again at worlds. A sparkle on figure skating will be lost in my point of view eros

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