You could well be correct Mary - I had forgotten about the 'tano arm postion; delayed rotation is also mentioned by name.

As far I know, the ideal air postion in a jump is totally straight, with the feet tight together & crossed over. Anything else (crooked body etc) is not helpful to the jump (one is more likely to fall as a result) & therefore should be in the negative rather than the positive GOE list - maybe they want to encourage wrapped jumps???

What's a wrapped jump?

A wrapped jump has the skater's legs crossed at the knee with the crossing leg held parallel to the ice rather than crossed as tightly as possible, low down on the leg, next to the other foot. For a photographic example, scroll down to "leg wrap" and take a look at the picture example on the right; it's a fuzzy pic but you get a clear idea of what it is.
http://tinyurl.com/3ah9vtt
Actually, any time the crossing leg isn't held tightly against the landing leg, it's a technical deduction.

BTW, that's a really good site for figure skating definitions.

Mary C.

And if you want to see a wrapped jump in motion just watch any program of Yukari Nakano on YouTube she always jumps this way

On ISU site I read what is obligatory for men this season.

2010-2011
Men
a) Double or triple Axel Paulsen;
b) One double or triple Loop jump immediately preceded by connecting steps and/or by other comparable Free Skating movements;
c) One jump combination consisting of a double and a triple jump or two triple jumps;
d) Flying camel spin;
e) Sit spin with only one change of foot;
f) Spin combination with all the three basic positions (sit, camel, upright or any variation thereof) and with only one change of foot;
g) Two different step sequences of a different nature (straight line, circular or serpentine).

And I'm wondering why they don't write anything about quads. I hope men could do it on SP last year they didin't write about quads too, but they (men) did it, am I right?

Thx to you LONNIE I repaired my mistake - so...
below are basic rules for Men JUNIOR
a) Double or triple Axel Paulsen;
b) One triple or one quadruple jump immediately preceded by connecting steps and/or other comparable Free Skating movements;
c) One jump combination consisting of a double jump and a triple jump or two triple jumps or a quadruple jump and a double jump or a triple jump;
d) Flying spin;
e) Camel spin or sit spin with only one change of foot;
f) Spin combination with all the three basic positions (sit, camel, upright or any variation thereof) and with only one change of foot;
g) Two step sequences of a different nature (straight line, circular or serpentine).

well, mba83, i think they wanted to clear what skaters should do at least thats why they dont talk about quads.. they just cant say "oh, dont do the most difficult element (jump)".. that would be quite ridiculous.. looking forward to new season, some skaters decided to include quads to their programmes - Michal Brezina, Patrick Chan...
anyway, thanks for posting the rules

mba83, where did you find those rules? The first set, which specifically mentions a loop jump, seems to be the requirement for junior skaters, whose SP has more specific elements and less freedom of choice than that of seniors, whereas the second set, which is more general, seems like the senior requirement.

However, I am baffled by the mention of two step sequences - didn't the ISU just drop the second step sequence from the SP, to be replaced by more TRANSITIONS?


Lonnie, still dripping from an extremely hot summer, can't wait for the season to begin

Thank you missviolet for explain, I was wondering it is obligatory to do max triple. Ufff glad that quads are possible too.
More I find it:
a quadruple jump cannot be included again as a solo jump

Thank you lonnie too, I read it on ISU rules and it looks like the senior must do loop
http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4844-191593-208816-140518-0-file,00.pdf

Page no 85-89.

There is specifications for ladies JUNIOR too: take look

2010/2011
a) Double Axel Paulsen;
b) One double or triple Loop jump immediately preceded by connecting steps and/or by other comparable Free Skating movements;
c) One jump combination consisting of two double jumps or one double and one triple jump or two triple jumps;
d) Flying camel spin;
e) Layback or sideways leaning spin;
f) Spin combination with all the three basic positions (sit, camel, upright or any variation thereof) and with only one change of foot;
g) Spiral sequence;
h) Step sequence (straight line, circular or serpentine).


And Pair JUNIOR

2010-2011

a) Any Lasso-lift take-off (Group Five)
b) One twist lift (double or triple)
c) One throw jump (double or triple)
d) One solo jump (double or triple)
e) Solo spin combination with only one change of foot and at least one change of position
f) Pair spin combination with only one change of foot and at least one change of position
g) Death spiral backward inside
h) Spiral sequence

Oh, I see. Well, the requirement with the loop really are for juniors, and seniors are allowed any triple (or quad) theyr want from steps.
Furthermore, this technical regulation book is dated 2008, so it doesn't have the latest updates from the last congress, where they dropped the second step sequence and made some other changes.
I couldn't find a more recent rulebook (navigating the ISu web site is tricky, they tend to hide stuff) but you can find the most recent changes and updates Scale of Value on communications 1611 and 1619 here: [http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-185235-202457-nav-list,00.html

Ohhh I see thx